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 Post subject: TAX,TAX, AND MORE RIDICULOUS TAX IDEAS
PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:16 pm 
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In San Diego, they are talking of banning plastic bags at grocery stores (and everywhere else they use them). On top of that, they are proposing a 20-25 cent tax on each paper bag you may use.

A week ago, San Diego City Councilman Jim Madaffer proposed a monthy trash tax of around $15-$20. In San Diego (correct me if i am wrong on this), but residents already have to pay for the plastic trash containers, which the trash pickup trucks destroy over time.

What's next???

"A nation trying to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to pull himself up by the handles."
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san francisco's talking about a major tax increase on booze.

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Remember the luxury tax on Yachts that put the boatbuilding industry of the United States out of business? Thousands of jobs lost, an entire industry shut down and not one penny of tax money because the people who can afford such things just went to Europe and bought them to avoid the huge tax bite.


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san francisco's talking about a major tax increase on booze.

"X"ing SanFran off of my "vacation spots" list.
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The world will not be saved by old minds with new programs. If the world is saved, it will be saved by new minds--with no programs.

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The world will not be saved by old minds with new programs. If the world is saved, it will be saved by new minds--with no programs.

How about by people with no minds and old programs?

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Internet usage tax....is just plain wrong...and no its not an urban myth..

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The world will not be saved by old minds with new programs. If the world is saved, it will be saved by new minds--with no programs.

How about by people with no minds and old programs?


That wouldn't work either, because programs don't work. What's the biggest difference between tribal law, that dominated the world before the agricultural revolution, and our laws today? Tribal law isn't something that a bunch of people got together and wrote some rules down. They were laws that developed over thousands of year, because they worked. And what worked for one tribe, wasn't nessecarily what worked well for another tribe. So each tribe had its own set of laws that worked for them. After the agricultural revolution, people were assimilated into larger groups of people, who then lost their tribal identity, and thus lost tribal law as well. So all the was left to do was start making up some laws arbitrarily. Ever since we've been trying to figure out a set of rules that works for everyone, but we have arbitrary laws that don't work well for anyone, and new laws (or programs) being introduced constantly.

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next time dont vote for people that believe the government has the power to tell you how to live your life because they know whats best for you.

it sounds like san diego is trying to force you to live green.

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crfrey71 wrote:
In San Diego, they are talking of banning plastic bags at grocery stores (and everywhere else they use them). On top of that, they are proposing a 20-25 cent tax on each paper bag you may use.

A week ago, San Diego City Councilman Jim Madaffer proposed a monthy trash tax of around $15-$20. In San Diego (correct me if i am wrong on this), but residents already have to pay for the plastic trash containers, which the trash pickup trucks destroy over time.

What's next???

"A nation trying to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to pull himself up by the handles."
- Winston Churchill


All I can say is, it's about time. This way, people have an incentive to bring their own bags rather than grab new ones every time they go to the market. I can't wait until a measure like this is adopted nation wide.

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crfrey71 wrote:
In San Diego, they are talking of banning plastic bags at grocery stores (and everywhere else they use them). On top of that, they are proposing a 20-25 cent tax on each paper bag you may use.

A week ago, San Diego City Councilman Jim Madaffer proposed a monthy trash tax of around $15-$20. In San Diego (correct me if i am wrong on this), but residents already have to pay for the plastic trash containers, which the trash pickup trucks destroy over time.

What's next???

"A nation trying to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to pull himself up by the handles."
- Winston Churchill


All I can say is, it's about time. This way, people have an incentive to bring their own bags rather than grab new ones every time they go to the market. I can't wait until a measure like this is adopted nation wide.

So the government should micromanage how people live their lives and manage their business? Where's personal choice? Why does the government have to decide that their opinions are always better than mine. If you cannot make the wrong decisions as easily as the right ones then you are not free.

Anyway I believe Green businesses are marketable. If you like being green, shop at an eco-friendly store.

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bandfan88 wrote:
crfrey71 wrote:
In San Diego, they are talking of banning plastic bags at grocery stores (and everywhere else they use them). On top of that, they are proposing a 20-25 cent tax on each paper bag you may use.

A week ago, San Diego City Councilman Jim Madaffer proposed a monthy trash tax of around $15-$20. In San Diego (correct me if i am wrong on this), but residents already have to pay for the plastic trash containers, which the trash pickup trucks destroy over time.

What's next???

"A nation trying to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to pull himself up by the handles."
- Winston Churchill


All I can say is, it's about time. This way, people have an incentive to bring their own bags rather than grab new ones every time they go to the market. I can't wait until a measure like this is adopted nation wide.


As long as you are willing to give up your rights and pay more for your products...go for it..When will people learn more government is not the answer?!!!

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Seems like we need a few quotes from Ronald Reagan which sums this topic up very well.

"The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. "

"I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves. "

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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All I can say is, it's about time. This way, people have an incentive to bring their own bags rather than grab new ones every time they go to the market. I can't wait until a measure like this is adopted nation wide.

Taxing people to force an issue is wrong and rarely if ever works. The average American's spending dollar has declined since 2000. When I retired about 25% of my paycheck was taxed with another 5% or so on various other taxes ... today I'm at 58% of every dollar I'm making going to various groups via taxes. It's Econ time boys and girls ... read my lips:
TAXING THE POPULACE IS NOT A VIABLE ECONOMIC STRATEGY

So, lets say San Diego gets its way and bans plastic bags, and lets say people ignore said "law". Are they going to arrest you? WHO is going to arrest you? What if all 1 million plus people in the city decide to ignore said law? Is there enough jail space? If no jail, then how much is the fine, if any, if you are caught with a plastic bag? And who is going to mail out the fine notices, keep track of who has paid and who hasn't? What about repeat violators? Should they be fined more because they care less? What about tourists who don't know any better and bring bags in from out of town or the country? At the extreme, should we have public beheadings and humiliation sessions at the local mall every Friday night? In a way this is already happening in New York with shoplifters pictures posted all over kosacks ... why not do it here with the bag violators? How does the city plan to enforce businesses who refuse to stop purchasing plastic bags because they are a huge conglomerate and get the bags in bulk? What about the small Mom N Pop who pick up "seconds" across the border to save a few bucks? Does the city plan to add plastic bags to the list of items that cannot cross the border and how are they going to get the border patrol involved? If someone DOES try to sneak some across, does it then become a Federal issue?

AND consider this ... if everyone switches to personally owned cloth shopping bags (which appears to be the idea since they want to tax the heck out of paper too), the amount of water necessary to wash said bags, which will get very dirty very quickly I guarantee, will rise and that is a no-no right now because we are being told to conserve.

AND ... personally I think the San Diego city guru's are hypocrites. They want to go green yet won't allow clothes lines in people's back yards in some neighborhoods because "they are an eyesore and reduce property values." Can you imagine the amount of energy we would save and how "green" the place would be if everyone turned off their dryers even for one week?

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AND consider this ... if everyone switches to personally owned cloth shopping bags (which appears to be the idea since they want to tax the heck out of paper too), the amount of water necessary to wash said bags, which will get very dirty very quickly I guarantee

Actually, they don't. I've been taking some to the market every week now for a year and I've never had to wash them. My biggest problem with them is that baggers tend to fill them like a paper bag and not put in enough.

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