Hostrauser wrote:Who gave you the right to define marriage?
You already know the answer to this one, but I'll say it anyway. We didn't (and still cannot) define marriage. G-d does.
Hostrauser wrote:Marriage existed in dozen of societies for thousands of years before Christ came along
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but there was religion before Jesus. The Jews received the Torah at Mount Sinai in the year 2448 on the Hebrew calendar (1313 years before Christianity existed).
Hostrauser wrote:and it wasn't always "one man, one woman"
I'm sorry, have you heard of Adam and Eve? First couple? First marriage? Man and woman? Ringing any bells?
Hostrauser wrote:Islam approves of polygamy to this day.
You're not (as far as I know) Muslim. Even if you were, this would be an argument for legalizing polygamy,
not same-sex marriages.
Hostrauser wrote:Homosexual relations were NOT frowned upon by many ancient societies: Greeks, Romans, Macedons...
Last I checked, Greeks and Romans are generally considered examples of sensual over-gratification and moral depravity. That doesn't exactly make them the gold star standard.
Hostrauser wrote:there's even strong evidence of accepted homosexual relationships in ancient
Jewish and Islamic societies.
So because one Rabbi who has a little too much trouble controlling his sexual urges decided to try and
rewrite the Torah, I'm supposed to believe him? Did you even read what his publishers said about the book? Here's some of the more exciting quotes:
The Publishers wrote:"yet they are all based on subjective evaluations that bear no textual confirmation"
"many of his arguments stretch the truth or omit vital segments of biblical text to reach their desired conclusion"
"This is not to say that his attempt bears no fruit"
Hostrauser wrote:I nor anyone else should be forced to abide by rules and restrictions of a religion we are not a member of.
I never said you should. In fact, you're the one that keeps attacking my religious beliefs, not the other way around. I (and most of the other people defending Prop 8) would support a purely civil form of union that bestows purely civil benefits. I won't support anything that threatens my religious rights.
Houstrauser wrote:I think you're either being disingenuous, are hopelessly inobservant or you lead an extremely sheltered life. I cannot remember EVER going out in public ANYWHERE and not seeing someone holding hands.
Neither. twinmomma asked if my
friends hold hands in public. They don't. Believe it or not, most of the people I choose to spend time with have similar views on relationships/PDAs as I do.
Houstrauser wrote:How very sad. There's a big difference between a loving peck and a make out session. My wife and I kiss in public all the time, and if a one-second peck on the lips bothers you, your social viewpoints are more warped than the Taliban.
Maybe "offend" was too strong of a word. Let me try to explain better: I don't think it's appropriate for people to show their affection in public. I know other people do, and as long as they're not going over the top (ie a "make out session"), I don't let it bother me. Yes, it makes me uncomfortable; no I don't attack them because of it.
twinmomma wrote:It's disgusting to me that people believe that people would choose to be gay
I never said anyone "chooses to be gay." You can say you were created gay all you want. It doesn't change the fact that you
can choose to be straight. Guess what? Psychological science has shown that pedophilia (among other sexual perversions) is a condition people are
born with. They didn't choose one day to start liking children, it's part of who they are. And yet, society forces pedophiles to deny their sexual urges. Many of them are quite successful at doing that.
twinmomma wrote:YOU LITERALLY WROTE INTO OUR CONSTITUTION that I am not as good as a straight person.
When did people decide that it's impossible to disagree with something someone does without hating them? Without considering them to be somehow second class citizens?
I didn't say anything about you. In fact, you sound like you're a pretty dang good mom. You're involved in the community. You're trying to bring your kids up in the best way you know how. All good, admirable, qualities.