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Author:  bigmikedrivesbmw [ Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:01 pm ]
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Scores

Novice
71.65 Concord
69.55 Lodi
68.35 Mission San Jose
64.00 Antioch

Intermediate
72.40 Atwater

Advanced
75.65 Deer Valley

Scholastic
83.75 Elk Grove
83.40 Bella Vista
81.00 West Campus
77.25 McClatchy

Open
85.45 Del Oro
84.80 Vallejo
84.75 Rodriguez

Author:  Powerhouse08 [ Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:23 pm ]
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scores?

Author:  olledowerdna [ Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:13 am ]
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(OPEN CLASS)
I'm not sure of the exact scores but I know that Vallejo scored an 88, Rodriguez scored an 87 (excluding the 2 point penalty), and Del Oro scored an 85.

Author:  vinnieangelo [ Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:11 pm ]
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olledowerdna wrote:
(OPEN CLASS)
I'm not sure of the exact scores but I know that Vallejo scored an 88, Rodriguez scored an 87 (excluding the 2 point penalty), and Del Oro scored an 85.


An 88 in February??? Good thing there is room to grow in the next 6 weeks.

Author:  Georgie [ Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:21 pm ]
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Vinnie is so right ... but a few weeks late. Look at the results at Rodriquez http://www.ncbaonline.org/winter_activi ... z_2012.pdf
Benicia was at an 88 on February 11!

Author:  mr. music [ Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:01 pm ]
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*sigh* another reason why NCBA just doesnt get it. Other circuits that have started last month with higher caliber groups are BARELY breaking the 80's. no offense to Benicia and other Open Class groups in NCBA, its not your fault, but after seeing those groups, i highly disagree with the scores reaching the high 80's. But to each his own i guess....

Author:  Georgie [ Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:13 pm ]
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But wait ... there's more ... just take at look at Bella Vista's scores from Friday to Saturday ....
Friday ...
http://www.ncbaonline.org/winter_activi ... o_2012.pdf
an 82.35
Saturday ...
http://www.ncbaonline.org/winter_activi ... h_2012.pdf
an 83.40!
Very consistent ... until you look at the breakdown. The scores for Music and GE flip flop from day to day. If I were on the staff of BV, I wouldn't know what to think or where I really stand. Ugh...inconsistent [though the perception by looking at the total is consistent].

Author:  olledowerdna [ Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:52 am ]
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I definitely wouldn't give ANY drum line an 80early this early.....especially in ncba. Typical.....

Author:  Hostrauser [ Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:41 am ]
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This is standard NCBA scoring. Look at marching bands in the fall. I've seen bands score 94 the second week of October. Then they grow, grow, grow, and peak at 95.5 or 96 the third week of November. :roll:

Author:  mrbrianplowman [ Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:13 pm ]
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Georgie wrote:
But wait ... there's more ... just take at look at Bella Vista's scores from Friday to Saturday ....
Friday ...
http://www.ncbaonline.org/winter_activi ... o_2012.pdf
an 82.35
Saturday ...
http://www.ncbaonline.org/winter_activi ... h_2012.pdf
an 83.40!
Very consistent ... until you look at the breakdown. The scores for Music and GE flip flop from day to day. If I were on the staff of BV, I wouldn't know what to think or where I really stand. Ugh...inconsistent [though the perception by looking at the total is consistent].

Seeing scoring growth throughout the season is a great thing. Getting the right ranking however, in my opinion, is even more important. It is possible that that particular group had a better GE show and worse Music execution on Saturday.

Author:  10r_Line [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:38 pm ]
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olledowerdna wrote:
I definitely wouldn't give ANY drum line an 80early this early.....especially in ncba. Typical.....

This is upsetting to read. So what you are saying is no matter how good or bad a line is, you will not score them in the 80's because of the date. The shows that scored that high, were very good and clean, unfortunately they were short. The judges scored what they saw. Vallejo only performed a sliver of their show and it was impressive. Now they decided to show only the clean part of their show where Del Oro performed their complete show but not as accurate. Were the placements accurate? Were the comments on the tape helpful? Don't speak for the directors and make assumptions. Let them talk to the judges with an open line of communication. The biggest problem with NCBA is that to many people think they know what is best for the circuit and forget why we are truly here.

Author:  Powerhouse08 [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:25 pm ]
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10r_Line wrote:
olledowerdna wrote:
I definitely wouldn't give ANY drum line an 80early this early.....especially in ncba. Typical.....

This is upsetting to read. So what you are saying is no matter how good or bad a line is, you will not score them in the 80's because of the date. The shows that scored that high, were very good and clean, unfortunately they were short. The judges scored what they saw. Vallejo only performed a sliver of their show and it was impressive. Now they decided to show only the clean part of their show where Del Oro performed their complete show but not as accurate. Were the placements accurate? Were the comments on the tape helpful? Don't speak for the directors and make assumptions. Let them talk to the judges with an open line of communication. The biggest problem with NCBA is that to many people think they know what is best for the circuit and forget why we are truly here.


hmmm.....actually, the biggest problem with NCBA is the inconsistent judging. Even top WGI groups dont score in the 80's at the first show. And the problem with giving a group a high score this early on is the growth scale later on. Obviously groups start with incomplete shows. They work hard, fix tons of stuff, then improve 1 point at the next show?? THAT makes no sense. Id rather start with a low score, then see it improve over time, reflecting the groups hard work, rather than get a really high score at the first show, and never have it improve. Also, NCBA has instructors that DO know alot of stuff, and their comments (which are often ridiculed or rejected, such as what you did) are shot down. And I think the person you quoted has PLENTY of experience. But i guess that means nothing to you....

Author:  Psalm 56 [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:33 pm ]
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Just sharing...

http://www.theccgc.org/CCGC/FallonPerScores2012.pdf

I do think we have "hit" a tangent in this post/theme. Just an opinion.

Author:  olledowerdna [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:14 am ]
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Those scores from the CCGC show look WAAAAAY more accurate.

Author:  olledowerdna [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:18 am ]
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I know it's also different sheets and a different judging panel, but NCBA is consistently inflating the scores.
In all actuality, "Open" class in NCBA = "Open" class in WGI. However, the scores do not resemble that. My group (Foothill) received an 88.9 and won the Open division at Fairfield yesterday. We're going to the WGI regional next weekend in Ceres, and will be LUCKY to break 80. Not a bash on my kids whatsoever, just a completely more relevant way to adjudicate the program.

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