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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:01 am 
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Hey guys

We are a parade only marching band, and also do drum line. The problem is that our typical 13" Yamaha SFZ Snare with Kevlar heads cranked to the max doesn't sound like a real snare.

Do you have some recommendations on a marching snare that will sound like a real concert snare on the street? I have seen Dynasty making a small shell marching snare with double snare sets...looks interesting...

I would be afraid a "real" concert snare mounted would not project at all, though it would be fine up next to the judges stand. We already use a concert bass on the street.

Thanks in advance for any help

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 Post subject: Re: Drum recommendation
PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:20 am 
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You could get an antique style rope tension drum, there are few at fairfield and they sound great for the marching band. Heres a couple sites that list their prices.

https://home.comcast.net/~bbaccus2/RopeDrums/hdc_prices.htm
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http://www.ropedrum.com/drums.htm[/url]

This dynasty would work as well, has the option to be worn as a side drum. There is something similar at laguna creek and it sounds nice, more controlled sounding than the rope tension drum but perhaps less authentic in looks and sound.

http://dynastyband.com/products/Marching-Percussion/Show-Band-Drums

And finally, if you have an extra yamaha marching snare you can always buy a animal skin or synthetic skin head, dont crank it, and it will sound nice.

( I personally wouldn't use a pure kevlar head for anything, its not good for your students health. Perhaps you were talking about a black/white max?)

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 Post subject: Re: Drum recommendation
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:05 am 
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Traditional marching snares are still on the market. You can still get Ludwig Challenger snares, 14" 12 lugs drums, that don't need the high torque heads. Though rope snare are cool, they may be a little too muddy for your needs.

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 Post subject: Re: Drum recommendation
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:44 am 
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Brad wrote:
Traditional marching snares are still on the market. You can still get Ludwig Challenger snares, 14" 12 lugs drums, that don't need the high torque heads. Though rope snare are cool, they may be a little too muddy for your needs.

Brad



Yeah, I don't think Steven understood what I was looking for. A rope tension snare? A bit too 1700's for me..LOL...

I just think most marching drums have too deep a sound for what is, in essence, a concert performance. I understand we need mylar heads (calfskin heads???!!!! What?), but the other problem is that most marching snares don't have a very crisp snare sound either....

Maybe something like the snares they use in pipe bands...??? Whatever those are...

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 Post subject: Re: Drum recommendation
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:30 am 
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You are welcome ^.-

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 Post subject: Re: Drum recommendation
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:56 am 
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Trying to get that concert sound outdoors is difficult. The concert sound is a direct reflection of the hall your playing in. When you're outdoors, your "hall" is gone, thus your drum becomes your hall. I agree that a larger drum ie. 14" or 15" with a plastic head may do the job. I think the Scottish pipe band sound won't give you the sound you want. (Metallic and Crsp)
I remember marching a 15" Premier Drum that had metal snares.(On the bottom head) You may want to find one like that, or retrofit some non gut snares to the bottom head of your 13". Then, I'd replace the top head with a coated batter or a renaissance head. (Fake animal skin texture) http://www.remo.com/portal/products/3/8 ... sance.html

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 Post subject: Re: Drum recommendation
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:06 pm 
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JCYS wrote:
Brad wrote:
Traditional marching snares are still on the market. You can still get Ludwig Challenger snares, 14" 12 lugs drums, that don't need the high torque heads. Though rope snare are cool, they may be a little too muddy for your needs.

Brad



Yeah, I don't think Steven understood what I was looking for. A rope tension snare? A bit too 1700's for me..LOL...

I just think most marching drums have too deep a sound for what is, in essence, a concert performance. I understand we need mylar heads (calfskin heads???!!!! What?), but the other problem is that most marching snares don't have a very crisp snare sound either....

Maybe something like the snares they use in pipe bands...??? Whatever those are...

JS




http://www.musicarts.com/Dynasty-DFXT-M ... 415046.mac

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical- ... mode=model

http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/msg/2249417289.html

http://www.justdrumsonline.com/p-3977-d ... -drum.aspx

Have not seen this one in a live performance:
http://www.steveweissmusic.com/product/ ... escription

Also from Steve Weiss:
http://www.steveweissmusic.com/product/ ... nare-drums

Heads
http://www.steveweissmusic.com/product/ ... drum-heads

http://www.steveweissmusic.com/product/ ... drum-heads

http://www.steveweissmusic.com/product/ ... drum-heads

http://www.hendersongroupltd.com/Cart/p ... tegory=491

http://www.hendersongroupltd.com/Cart/p ... tegory=491

Pipe drums:
http://www.hendersongroupltd.com/Cart/p ... oduct=2917

http://www.hendersongroupltd.com/Cart/p ... oduct=2940

http://www.hendersongroupltd.com/cart/p ... oduct=4137

Take a look, most of these will give that crisper sound without feeling like playing on the cement.


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 Post subject: Re: Drum recommendation
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:51 pm 
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The Pipe Band drums are interesting, but don't sound anything like a concert snare. Just sayin' :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Drum recommendation
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:34 am 
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I use 2 Legatto marching snare drums with Fiberskin heads for Chino and they work great. They project a deep tone and have a warm snareside sound. Also they have Allenbolts instead of your typical lugs so you can tune the drum bolt to bolt. 8-)


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