WOW BOA gives Texas another regional!!

jacjar1 · Post by **jacjar1** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:56 pm

San Antonio is a super regional as well!!

BANDS OF AMERICA FALL SCHEDULE FOR 2004 ANNOUNCED
BOA's 29th fall season includes sixteen events in eleven states

April 5, 2004 - Bands of America, Inc. (BOA) has announced its fall 2004 event schedule, including the Grand National Championship presented by Yamaha. Fifteen Regional Championship competitions covering eleven states will take place this fall including three two-day Super Regionals and an unprecedented four BOA Championships in the state of Texas.

"As the organization has grown in the past 29 years, Bands of America is becoming recognized as THE representative organization for all of America's band programs," According to BOA Marketing Manager, Chuck Henson, "We are proud to continue our mission of "providing positively life-changing experience" to even more high school band students, their teachers, families and communities through our world-class events and programs."

Due to overwhelming response and enrollment, BOA recently expanded the 2004 Regional Championship in San Antonio to a Super Regional. The two-day San Antonio show joins two other BOA 2004 Super Regionals, in Atlanta and St. Louis.

BOA South Texas Championship presented by Yamaha and South Texas Music Festivals (a Bands of America sanctioned show) is BOA's fourth show is Texas this fall, joining shows in Houston, Arlington and San Antonio. The event format, adjudication and procedures are the same for a sanctioned show as for a BOA Championship although the application and entry is different (see application for details). "This is an exciting opportunity for BOA to serve the bands in "The Valley" at a great facility closer to home," says BOA President Scott McCormick. "We're committed to providing BOA national-level adjudication and educational opportunities for south Texas bands."

2004 BOA Fall Marching Band Regional and Grand National Championship Schedule:

September 18: Louisville, KY, Papa John's Stadium
September 18: Massillon, OH, Paul Brown Tiger Stadium
September 25: Pontiac, MI, Silverdome
September 25: Murfreesboro, TN, Middle Tennessee State University
October 2: Youngstown, OH, Youngstown State University
October 2: Houston, TX, Rice University
October 9: East Rutherford, NJ, Rutgers University
October 9: Arlington, TX, University of Texas-Arlington
October 9: La Joya, TX, La Joya HS Stadium
October 15-16: St. Louis, MO, Edward Jones Dome
October 16: St. Petersburg, FL, Tropicana Field
October 22-23: Atlanta, GA, Georgia Dome
October 23: Las Vegas, NV or Phoenix, AZ (Site to be determined)
October 30: Indianapolis, IN, RCA Dome
October 30: San Antonio, TX Alamodome
November 4-6: Indianapolis, IN RCA Dome (Grand Nationals)

More than 90 bands from 21 states are enrolled in the three-day BOA Grand National Championships, which includes exhibition performances, workshops and special events. Finals reserved center seating and seating inside the 15 yardlines sells out quickly. We recommend ordering your tickets as early as possible, especially for the new "Super" Seating center section for Finals.

http://www.bands.org/public/businessmed ... _sched.asp

vore · Post by **vore** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:58 pm

"As the organization has grown in the past 29 years, Bands of America is becoming recognized as THE representative organization for all of America's band programs," According to BOA Marketing Manager, Chuck Henson,

Wow.... I know a great many band directors in the western states that don't agree with this self serving comment...

vore

jacjar1 · Post by **jacjar1** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:49 pm

You should read the BOA forums this is a hot topic. Many calling BOA the Bands of the midwest and maybe rightfully so. If they are to be called bands of America then be in all America not just Texas or the Midwest.
That was the real reason I posted was to spark some interest in this not to promote BOA as it seems they do a pretty good job of self promotion.

vore · Post by **vore** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:13 pm

BOA came to California.... had little effect.... departed quietly.... RIP

vore

Ryan H. Turner · Post by **Ryan H. Turner** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:19 pm

AMEN JOHN!!!!

I have a feeling that Tournament of Bands, UIL, Florida Marching Band Conference, USSBA, WBA, and SCSBOA would take exception to this as well. I guarantee that as I get older, I'm more willing to buy the SCSBOA method of music adjudication as being the standard.

And JacJar1, don't worry...we're not "mad" at you. Just amazed how BOA comes across... "THE representative"....

Sheeesh...

PGOK · Post by **PGOK** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:59 pm

jacjar1 wrote:
"As the organization has grown in the past 29 years, Bands of America is becoming recognized as THE representative organization for all of America's band programs," According to BOA Marketing Manager, Chuck Henson, "We are proud to continue our mission of "providing positively life-changing experience" to even more high school band students, their teachers, families and communities through our world-class events and programs."

This says it all-"marketing manager". Most of our circuits and associations are run by educators on a volunteer basis. BOA has people who earn a living doing what many of us do for free. This type of self glorification is not at all suprising.

And if I may be so bold, much of their success comes from massaging directors egos, with meaningless concepts like "national champions"

JLGORMAN · Post by **JLGORMAN** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:43 pm

I agree with the other writers. BOA maybe fine and have its own championships but there are a great many good schools that do not compete in BOA, either by choice or by financial situations. I think that EGO is a big problem with these folks, and for the rest of the 30,000 plus High Schools that do not or cannot do BOA, are not necessarily out in the cold. I think this is one thing that Texans and Callifornian's and others can agree on.

guy0304 · Post by **guy0304** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:21 am

vore wrote:BOA came to California.... had little effect.... departed quietly.... RIP

vore

I always wondered why BOA didn't seem that popular in the Western states. Was there a specific reason why it had little effect?

vore · Post by **vore** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:39 am

Yes,

To name just a few reasons... and these are just the tip of the iceberg:

The administration of BOA was too restrictive and damanding of the directors regarding ticket sales, warm-up areas, time slots and had an overall demeanor of "our way or the highway."

And..... the event interfered with the scheduled events of SCSBOA.

It would take too long to go into all of the details here.... wait for my book.

vore

jacjar1 · Post by **jacjar1** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:21 pm

vore wrote:Yes,

To name just a few reasons... and these are just the tip of the iceberg:

The administration of BOA was too restrictive and damanding of the directors regarding ticket sales, warm-up areas, time slots and had an overall demeanor of "our way or the highway."

And..... the event interfered with the scheduled events of SCSBOA.

It would take too long to go into all of the details here.... wait for my book.

vore

Interesting and insightful points but (and this may be a another topic)

Do you think they may have a greater impact on schools because of all the budgetary problems schools face? They can hype like no other and maybe some of band circuits can’t compete with the hype. I don’t Know I am speaking out of ignorance here

What about the many band circuits here in California, will we see a consolidation due to $$$ or lack of it?
Probably not but I can never plan on anything being the same here in California

vore · Post by **vore** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:19 pm

Budget concerns and hype have little impact on the schools' (directors') decisions to choose any particular circuit. Most decisions on the choice of a circuit are based on the "philosophical basis of adjudication of any particular circuit" and "the loyalty to any particular circuit." (The money made from field tournanments adjudicated by SCSBOA go to the host school, whereas money made by "corporate circuits" go to the corporation... that is one way the "corporation" makes its money. This irks many band directors...) Bragging rights for those who choose any circuit have much more of an impact than most people realize. (This has all been discussed many times in other postings on this site.)

What about the many band circuits here in California, will we see a consolidation due to $$$ or lack of it?

Why? Who really cares? Marching band is an educational activity and part of the total music education experience. It is not a professional sport/activity and in the daily newspaper as are the collegiate and professional sports...

blah, blah, blah and etc.

vore

jacjar1 · Post by **jacjar1** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:19 pm

Thanks for the education and opinion..now time to ponder

jacjar1 · Post by **jacjar1** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:59 pm

Google is such a terrific tool...Did a Ryan Turner Search and hmmm....I guess your mind has changed over the past 2 years?

Its only been 2 years since you were all for the differences....

Ryan H. Turner · Post by **Ryan H. Turner** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:59 am

jacjar1 wrote:Google is such a terrific tool...Did a Ryan Turner Search and hmmm....I guess your mind has changed over the past 2 years? Its only been 2 years since you were all for the differences....

I don't get it...differences in what...and if you googled it, you're probably smart enough to link to whatever you refer to, eh?

jacjar1 · Post by **jacjar1** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:54 pm

You had so many and I sort of perfered your old posts to your new ones.
In the past you seemed to be a supporter of all groups now if it aint SCSBOA then you rain on everyones parade.

So why the change?

Your quote not mine

" SCSBOA took awhile, granted, but I felt better about them going to caption
judging. Now my beef with them is not so much them having different standards
then other organizations, but they don't train. I understand all you pro
SCSBOA'ers that it is IMPRACTICAL and logistically infeasible to train judges
if your a music educators association and NOT a judging organization like
WGASC, but still....it's strange to hear that as something that defines what
they do. Yes...SCSBOA does say that. They DON'T train their judges nor will
they.

I think SCSBOA is still doing the "right" thing by being a musical based
judging system....but....well, glad there are other choices...."

Google Newsgroup Posting

An now you say

"AMEN JOHN!!!!

I have a feeling that Tournament of Bands, UIL, Florida Marching Band Conference, USSBA, WBA, and SCSBOA would take exception to this as well. I guarantee that as I get older, I'm more willing to buy the SCSBOA method of music adjudication as being the standard.

And JacJar1, don't worry...we're not "mad" at you. Just amazed how BOA comes across... "THE representative"....

Sheeesh... "

Just wondering:
1. why the change?
2. Why after 2 years is SCSBOA the standard? Is this the REPPRESENTATIVE?
3. why should it be?
4. What about the other circuits?

P.S. You chose to take this thread down this road not I. My original post was about BOA expanding but you and Vore pounced on the BOA.

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WOW BOA gives Texas another regional!!

WOW BOA gives Texas another regional!!

On what planet?

Bands of America???

A money maker and self promoter....

Re: WOW BOA gives Texas another regional!!

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point taken

I pondered and investigated

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