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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:35 pm 
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band size: around 185
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because after marching season is over (1st semester) everyone who doesn't have a sport takes PE.

btw.. does marching band count for "performing arts" for anyone?? cause the UC's don't recognize marching as a performing arts.

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credit: yes, 1 semester for band and 2 for guard/drumline (if we do winter season)
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im the same as sabrebatgirl the band just goes into concert season and they dont have to take pe but if they drop out before senior year they are put in pe to finish the 2 year requirement

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We get PE credit for marching band (5 each year) and we need 20 PE credits to graduate, so you would think they could all be marching band, but noooo. Along with the 15 credits from a PE class, you must take the oh so ever popular PE 9, which is required. So this causes some conflict because if they want to stay in marching band all four years, they must find some way to take this stupid PE class. bleh...

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One solution to avoitd the coaches losing a section (or more) of classes that has been successfully implemented in several schools/districts is to have the actual PE coaches keep the marching band kids on their roll sheet, even though the band director and/or instructors actually teach the kids. This depends on your individual campus, and if their is a coach who is willing to float the class (doesn't seem to be a problem finding someone who'll take credit for not doing anything - no offense to the hard-working PE guys!).


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I will admit one downside about PE Credit for marching:

Beforehand, when I still did Physical Education in middle school, I was pertty darn well in shape.
In marching band, you lose the strenous workouts and distance running that you had before you started marching. Sure you have the proper technique to follow while marching, but its nothing like the running you had to do. The upper body strength, however (depending on what you marched), would increase, but not really help you stay in shape.
So what about working out? Sounds like a good plan, but just how many students would either want to or be able to find time to go to a gym or what have you on a regular basis?
I can see why they give PE credit for marching band. I don't particulary agree with idea, even moreso with the actual joining of marching band. I asked most of thre new freshmen last year "Why did you join marching band?". Every single freshmen I asked replied (in some sense or another) "To avoid PE". Now thats not a real motovation to do marching band. Furthermore, if they wanted to avoid PE, it would seem improbable that they'd take the time to go workout independently.

My point is, Physical Education and Marching Band don't really coincide with each other. One is exactly as it says: Physical Education. Marching band does have physical components to it, but simply giving it PE credit, to me, just isn't right. Yes marching band can by physically draining, but not in the way that a general physical education course would be.
Some schools I know of actually give it cross-credit with visual arts, something I think should be done everywhere...the reasons being fairly obvious.

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So basically, the PE teacher will get paid for the work that the band director and staff are doing... Sounds great for them...

Once again the band director is getting the shaft.


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Regarding marching band as PE... The answer lies within the state curriculum framework for physical education. If one can, and they will with minimal effort, draw a connection to the activities, tasks, and objectives within a properly run marching band rehearsal then it qualifies as a course that should receive the appropriate credit. The problem is that the administrators and PE coaches (who sometimes become administrators) interpret things to either make it work for the band or not work for the band.

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formermarcher wrote:
In marching band, you lose the strenous workouts and distance running that you had before you started marching.

Well that one depends on the band. I am much more fit from being in marching band than I ever was in PE. We run more and do more push-ups/ sit-ups, not to mention that PE is only an hour a day while marching band involves after school practices.


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If that be the case for your school, then my question is this:

Does your band focus more on building strength during rehearsals? The field is meant to practice, not to workout, right?

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SithScorp wrote:
Teever:
So basically, the PE teacher will get paid for the work that the band director and staff are doing... Sounds great for them...

Once again the band director is getting the shaft.


formermarcher:
Regarding marching band as PE... The answer lies within the state curriculum framework for physical education. If one can, and they will with minimal effort, draw a connection to the activities, tasks, and objectives within a properly run marching band rehearsal then it qualifies as a course that should receive the appropriate credit. The problem is that the administrators and PE coaches (who sometimes become administrators) interpret things to either make it work for the band or not work for the band.


Being in shape is an entire thread unto itself. I would argue that you have kids in PE and band that are out of shape. The vast majority of High School students in general are unhealthy.

The reason it gets to me and alot of other parents is that band is counted as an elective. That means you have to lose another elective in its place and if your in AP or in Honors classes you dont have many electives to give up for band. So having it as PE opens up an elective.

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formermarcher wrote:
If that be the case for your school, then my question is this:

Does your band focus more on building strength during rehearsals? The field is meant to practice, not to workout, right?

We spend time to build strength because it helps you have the right tecnique on the field. You can't hold up a big brass instrument without upper body strength, you can't make it through a show without endurance, etc.


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