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Why will nobody post WBA Prelims and Finals scores?
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Author:  Mr. Bill [ Mon Nov 24, 2003 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Posted Scores

Dave,
Thanks for posting the scores, however I think many are looking for the WBA recap sheets so they can see the wide range between prelims and finals and try to make sense of it. WBA has not posted them yet.

Author:  jacjar1 [ Mon Nov 24, 2003 3:10 pm ]
Post subject: 

sure they did I have those also

http://www.westernband.org/112203buchananhsfresnoca3a4a.pdf

Author:  SoCalBandFan [ Mon Nov 24, 2003 3:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Posted Scores

Mr. Bill wrote:
Dave,
Thanks for posting the scores, however I think many are looking for the WBA recap sheets so they can see the wide range between prelims and finals and try to make sense of it. WBA has not posted them yet.


If you're going to compare the sheets from prelims and finals, and try to make sense of it, good luck. I know our band (Valley View) did not have a very strong performance in prelims and scored an 83.35 and finished in 14th place. The kids came back and had a much stronger performance in finals and jumped a couple of spots to 12th place and had a lower score of 83.09. I realize it's a different set of judges for finals compared to prelims but the last 3-4 years the finals scores seem to drop for the bands that don't finish in the top 5-6 positions. I'm having a hard time figuring out why. Anybody else?

Author:  altohack [ Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:29 pm ]
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Bandmaster wrote:
I think all the vocal SoCal kids on this forum intimidate them a little. That's not really a bad thing, but we southerners could be a little more friendly and be willing to comment on the northern activities and make them feel a little more welcome here. :wink:


I would... they should comment more in off topic. I can't really say much about northern bands or even WBA activities cuz I don't get it/I'm not a part of it.
Sorry if we scare you people!

Author:  jacjar1 [ Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Posted Scores

SoCalBandFan wrote:
Mr. Bill wrote:
Dave,
Thanks for posting the scores, however I think many are looking for the WBA recap sheets so they can see the wide range between prelims and finals and try to make sense of it. WBA has not posted them yet.


If you're going to compare the sheets from prelims and finals, and try to make sense of it, good luck. I know our band (Valley View) did not have a very strong performance in prelims and scored an 83.35 and finished in 14th place. The kids came back and had a much stronger performance in finals and jumped a couple of spots to 12th place and had a lower score of 83.09. I realize it's a different set of judges for finals compared to prelims but the last 3-4 years the finals scores seem to drop for the bands that don't finish in the top 5-6 positions. I'm having a hard time figuring out why. Anybody else?


The big difference seemed to be in 2 categories High GE which Valleyview lost 4 points in finals and in AAAA it was Auxiliary.

Only 1 AAAA School scored higher in auxilary finals than Prelims.

Beyer at +4.0

Ayala and Thousand Oaks were -6.0 :shock: :shock:

Upland was -4.5

Clovis West -3.0

Mission Viejo -1.0

Fountain Valley 0.0

Thats a big drop in scores even with 2 sets of judges. :!: :?:

Author:  Mello- [ Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:21 pm ]
Post subject:  AAA/AAAA Captions

AAA

Best Visual: Valley View
Best Mucis: Buchanon
Best Effect: Oak Grove
Best Percussion: El Toro
Best Auxiliary: Rancho Cucamonga

AAAA

Best Visual: Ayala / Clovis West * Tie
Best Music: Upland / Mission Viejo / Clovis West * Tie
Best Effect: Clovis West
Best Percussion: Mission Viejo
Best Auxiliary: Beyer

Mello-

Author:  Hostrauser [ Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Posted Scores

SoCalBandFan wrote:
Mr. Bill wrote:
Dave,
Thanks for posting the scores, however I think many are looking for the WBA recap sheets so they can see the wide range between prelims and finals and try to make sense of it. WBA has not posted them yet.


If you're going to compare the sheets from prelims and finals, and try to make sense of it, good luck. I know our band (Valley View) did not have a very strong performance in prelims and scored an 83.35 and finished in 14th place. The kids came back and had a much stronger performance in finals and jumped a couple of spots to 12th place and had a lower score of 83.09. I realize it's a different set of judges for finals compared to prelims but the last 3-4 years the finals scores seem to drop for the bands that don't finish in the top 5-6 positions. I'm having a hard time figuring out why. Anybody else?


Unlike other band circuits, the WBA takes a cue from DCI in that they try to "widen the spread" in Finals. Look at DCI: a 12th place corps in semi-finals might score 87-88, then drop to 82-84 in Finals. Same thing, here, the judges are just trying to put some distance between the bands.

Author:  jacjar1 [ Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Posted Scores

Phantom Phan wrote:
SoCalBandFan wrote:
Mr. Bill wrote:
Dave,
Thanks for posting the scores, however I think many are looking for the WBA recap sheets so they can see the wide range between prelims and finals and try to make sense of it. WBA has not posted them yet.


If you're going to compare the sheets from prelims and finals, and try to make sense of it, good luck. I know our band (Valley View) did not have a very strong performance in prelims and scored an 83.35 and finished in 14th place. The kids came back and had a much stronger performance in finals and jumped a couple of spots to 12th place and had a lower score of 83.09. I realize it's a different set of judges for finals compared to prelims but the last 3-4 years the finals scores seem to drop for the bands that don't finish in the top 5-6 positions. I'm having a hard time figuring out why. Anybody else?


Unlike other band circuits, the WBA takes a cue from DCI in that they try to "widen the spread" in Finals. Look at DCI: a 12th place corps in semi-finals might score 87-88, then drop to 82-84 in Finals. Same thing, here, the judges are just trying to put some distance between the bands.


I understand that. Good point but its hard to grasp how everyone in AAAA with exception of one guard unit went down or stayed put in finals. We are talking about some groups who won the caption at previous events and most of whom had been progressing up in points. The six point drop in Ayala and Thousand Oaks put them at begining of the season scores. Thats almost an 11 point swing.

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