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well if compared with last weeks arcadia scores, probably somewhere among the really close bands
i think it was pretty close for those schools at arcadia festival too
but i think it depends on how mt carmel would have performed if they were at their best or not

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the best 10 dollars i have ever spent.

watching a show like that...being a spectator (which is a rare occasion since im usually on the field) was amazing. ALL THE BANDS did great and performed their hearts out.

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I think that all the bands performed there heart out. Every band came out there thinking that they could come away with the win. Etiwanda always comes out ready to perform a almost 90 something show....and all the other bands come out saying "hey we are going to beat Etiwanda" now I know that Etiwanda did come out witht a win ontop (who really thought that was not going to happen) but really does everyone think that , Etiwanda really deserved the win, or did they win because of there name. I know that a lot of people will say that yes a name does impress a judge but does it or is it really on how the band performs. I think that yes Etiwanda did come out perpared, they came out ready and they came out knowing they were going to win. So does that help too? Dose wining all the time also hlep you in a performance of this altitude? Well this is one mans thoughts what are yours......


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Dose wining all the time also hlep you in a performance of this altitude? Well this is one mans thoughts what are yours......


Absolutely it does. Case in point BOA San Antonio. The Texas bands come out with an attitude of " This is my field, my competiton come take it from me". Its not an arrogance but its an attitude. Etiwanda has that same tude, combined with everthing else makes them tough to beat.

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Well, I say congrats to all of the bands that participated. It is an honor just to go to a Championship competition, and although I was not there, I have heard that every group performed with top marks. Congrats to all.

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[quote="Survivor"]I think that all the bands performed there heart out. Every band came out there thinking that they could come away with the win. Etiwanda always comes out ready to perform a almost 90 something show....and all the other bands come out saying "hey we are going to beat Etiwanda" now I know that Etiwanda did come out witht a win ontop (who really thought that was not going to happen) but really does everyone think that , Etiwanda really deserved the win, or did they win because of there name. I know that a lot of people will say that yes a name does impress a judge but does it or is it really on how the band performs. I think that yes Etiwanda did come out perpared, they came out ready and they came out knowing they were going to win. So does that help too? Dose wining all the time also hlep you in a performance of this altitude? Well this is one mans thoughts what are yours......[/quote]

Attitude is everything in life. Your name has nothing to do with the win. If you are confident in yourself and the team you are with it shows on the field. That is what the directors of these top groups build in their programs. They enter the field with confidence and the judges are professionals from groups just like them and they judge accordingly. I remember years ago at a dinner a guest speaker who still judges today said in his talk that "I judge a band by the standards I set for my own group. They should be as confident as I ecpect my own group to be or better." :D He was a director of a consistant winner in field and in parade. :D


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OK OK all of those thoughts were quite nice. And I agree attitude is everything. If you dont have the attitude to win then you wont. But do you think that some bands out there performed a clean show but it was not the hardest one out there, yet they beat sopme bands that had harder shows. Like RB they did not have the most likeable show and I think you all can agree with that. There show was not that intertaning, but it was a hard show. Etiwanda they had a some what intertaning show but it was not hard ( or at least to me it was not ). But because it was not a hard show do you think that its fare to have them win because its less chalenging. I think that some groups out there like RB, Chino and Arcadia all have hard shows but because its not the cleanest or not the most exciting or the best marching shows they lose because of it and that is not right. I think that in order to really be called the #1 group or the best group or the OMG group you got to have all of that and im sorry but Etiwanda does not have that.....


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:D All of the groups had what you said "hard shows". It isn't easy to get out there and come in 10th. It is just a s hard as 1st. Yes it is harder to be on top and stay there. You are expected to be there all of the time. The intimidation of that is hard enough. The ececution and technical difficulty in the music with the show tempo is what makes the show difficult and Eitiwanda seemed to be right target. I am a musician, but an old one at that. The different tempos going on at the same time as they were marching in step at whatever the beats per minute was a a super performance in my oppinion. No, I wasn't totally into their music, but the level of musicianship with marching was definitely the edge. Rotating circles, blocks, ranks forwards and backwards is not easy to do tegether and straight. Marching in many shows with the Tenn Volenteer Band of 300 I remember well the hardache in accomplishing those drills. :D


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I'm sorry but I just had to respond to the "not that hard" observation when a comparison was made to Etiwanda's show vs. some of the others. I think you really need to go back to the tapes and look at the drills. Because I have!!..Etiwanda does not stop moving throughout their performance, I don't know when this became easy, but whatever. Truely, I know that many bands get upset when they continue to score behind one particular band and the desire is always to try to figure out why. But the last thing that I ever thought Etiwanda would be accused of was having an easy drill.
As for the other drills mentioned, I am not going to make comments over why that basic premis of the cleanness vs. difficulty was what won it for Etiwanda. Basically the comment sounds a little like bitterness. The unfortunate truth about forums such as these is that personal bias is presented as unbiassed observation. That dilutes the credibility of anyone who's opinion is truly unbiased and ultimately the site just becomes a whine fest. :crying:


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In a Reply to "Iliketowach's" statement, is that im sorry in my past post's I dont ever rembering puting one band on top to another band. If I did please forgive me. Im not trying to go out and mag dog Etiwanda but I'm just letting you know my thoughts. Yes I did see everyone's show down south on the 22nd and these are my thoughts. Yes Etiwanda did perform a perfect show but I really do think that if the judges would look at the difficulty on everyone elses show and not just OMG that was a perfect show I think that maybe the scores would have been a little closer. Do you agree "Iliketowach"? Well ya I think that is it, if you think that I am being "bais" please send me a PM.


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Eh, honestly I thought Etiwanda looked like they had a pretty difficult show. They just made it look easy. 8-)


Might be true..... :lol:


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OK OK all of those thoughts were quite nice. And I agree attitude is everything. If you dont have the attitude to win then you wont. But do you think that some bands out there performed a clean show but it was not the hardest one out there, yet they beat sopme bands that had harder shows. Like RB they did not have the most likeable show and I think you all can agree with that. There show was not that intertaning, but it was a hard show. Etiwanda they had a some what intertaning show but it was not hard ( or at least to me it was not ). But because it was not a hard show do you think that its fare to have them win because its less chalenging. I think that some groups out there like RB, Chino and Arcadia all have hard shows but because its not the cleanest or not the most exciting or the best marching shows they lose because of it and that is not right. I think that in order to really be called the #1 group or the best group or the OMG group you got to have all of that and im sorry but Etiwanda does not have that.....


I'm gonna have to agree with you and disagree with you on this one. Etiwanda's show was very difficult: the music and drill proved it all. I thought they deserved what they got. I however, didn't agree that El Dorado was only 0.55 points behind Etiwanda. Don't get me wrong, El Dorado's show was very entertaining, a crowd pleaser and very fun, but in terms of the level of difficulty, and their musical ability; they just don't compare to RB or Arcadia's shows. I'm sure I'm going to be lambasted for my statement, but I recorded all of the field shows and have listened to ED's show, and though they delivered something very entertaining, musically they just weren't up-to-par with the two aforementioned. The drill also wasn't something to die for. I loved the stage set-up (like everyone else) and the "field full of Katherine Zeta-Jones'", but again, the show was not as difficult as the other shows I've seen. I would have put Etiwanda in first, RB or Arcadia in second/third and the let the rest fall in place. Though I wasn't a fan of RB's show, they delivered a powerfully musical show. I can't think of any other band that could've delivered such a great repertoire on field, sounding like a wind symphony. I loved Arcadia's show with it's 400+ band and colorguard and the concert pieces they played as well. Though there were a few musical tears in their show, it still moved the audience. Congrats to everyone on a great season.


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WOW! Honestly! Etiwanda is a hardworking band that has a wonderful show. I also know that for great bands and performers it's not all about winning metals and trophies. Maybe thats why after the show some Etiwanda students threw their metals to the RBV students, because they enjoyed RBV's show. Marching Band is a performing art that allows young students to perform. It isn't always about winning a metal. Yes it's great to have ajudicators rank you the best out of a group of performers, but I honestly doubt it's the name. Etiwanda is a teriffic ensemble that scored 6 points higher than any other group at BOA. They won events in both WBA and SCSBOA competition, and perform beautifully every time. People need to remember that marching band is about performing not winning trophies.


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