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Author:  vmbronco [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:35 am ]
Post subject:  Euphonium or Baritone?

We all know the diiference between Euphs and Baritones right? Well if u dont ask in the post and ill put it up. But which do you prefere? Why?
Keep on trucking! Euphs rule(or baritone whichever)! :twisted:

Author:  clusknay [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:54 am ]
Post subject:  Okay

It's all about the sound...Dark, and broad. Much less "edge" than that of a baritone, or trombone. Not to mension the weight of the horn is something to hype on. Yeah for "WIGGING!"

Sik.

Author:  JCYS [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 11:08 am ]
Post subject:  a rose by any other name...

I'll make it more confusing for you!

A "baritone" is NOT a baritone.

An Ameircan Baritone is closer to a Euphonium. Its bore size is larger, and its tubing more conical.

A REAL baritone is an English baritone. They are used in brass bands (and until 1925 in British Military Bands...ever wonder why Holst's 1st Suite has bartione cues on the Euphonium part? Thats why...they were replaced in 1925 with tenor saxs). It is much smaller than an American baritone, has a smaller bore, and its tubing shape is that of a cornet, ie half conical/half cylindrical.

Euphs are large bore, and totally conical.

American Baritones are somewhere in between, but closer to a euph.

JCYS

PS-if you are from Nor Cal, LP/O marches a couple of Enlish Baritones in our Euphonoium rank, we normally use them for our British Brass Band. However, most of our 9 euph players do use Euphoniums.

Author:  clusknay [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 11:22 am ]
Post subject:  Okay

So I have a question...What is the bore size of a Euphonium...yes, they are all large bore...but is it .547? or .562 ???

Author:  JCYS [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Bore size

Well, I hate to be BORING about it... :wink:

The answer is: there is no definitive answer. Back in the 60's Besson euphoniums used a larger shank (sometimes called "european bore.") And that was defined as "big bore." Then, in the 70's they all jumped to an even larger bore, and starting using bass trombone bone shank mouthpieces.

So, really, anything larger than an English Baritone would be considered euphonium, I guess. But the bore shape makes a bigger difference in the tone quality.

JCYS

Author:  vore [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 12:25 pm ]
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Author:  clusknay [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 12:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Um.

are we still on "marching euphoniums/baritones?"

I seriously doubt that Willson is in the business of marching instruments, although Yamaha does...a very extensive line I might add. however, i'm un-familiar with the model numbers.

just checkin...

I was actually inquiring about marching euphonium bore size...

Author:  Personal [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:36 pm ]
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Seeing that I have played both, I am going to say that I like the Euph better. you can get a darker more mature sound from it. However, most Drum Corps that I know of use bothe. the leads play on the Baritones, because you can get more sound from them, and they do tend to sound better as leads than the Euphs. the Baritones are a little brighter, and therefore are used more on the field, where as the Euph. is not used all that much. I however, prefer the Euph.

Author:  clusknay [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:57 pm ]
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Personal wrote:
the Baritones are a little brighter, and therefore are used more on the field, where as the Euph. is not used all that much.


Correct in saying that the Baritone does produce a slightly brighter sound than say...a trombone. But when speaking in corps sense...Euphoniums are ALWAYS used...they are in over 90 percent of all Division I corps...because of the balance and depth that it adds to an ensemble. Look at two top 5 (now i guess) Phantom, and SCV. Phantom marches a line of COMPLETE Euphs...SCV marches a line of 10-12 Euphs, and 6-8 baritones. It definately makes a difference.
However, you won't see euphoniums in marching band too much, i think due to the raw size of them. They are quite heavy....and with that factor alone you are already limited to those who will not only be able to handle them, but to also be able to put out some sound.

Author:  ArcAdiA BAritone God [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 5:09 pm ]
Post subject:  i choose....................

hey hey hey... dont be fooled by the user name that i selected... baritones is wat we use at arcadia fer marching band and its euphonium fer concert band. But, it would be sweet to use the euphoniums on the street, and a silver laquered Dynasty Marching Euphonim for the field. Such a fat, dark, rich sound, so sensual to listen to. over all, i love euphonim. Porps to jcys, dude man, u have done your homework, i do not feel worthy to be called "baritone god"... but u know wats really hardcorps? its those double bell euphoniums !!!
oh man, so sweet !!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Author:  Bandfan [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 8:35 pm ]
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I myself prefer my marching Euphonium, there is just something about the richness of the sound that seems to be harder to duplicate on a marching baritone. Currently, my brass line is split 4 baris and 4 euphs, providing a pretty good blend of sound. However, I have been wondering recently about how exactly one should go about choosing who should play baritone and who should play euphonium. It appears that since we have replaced our line with the 4 silver kanstul baritones and 4 silver kanstul euphoniums, we have tended to put the more technical players (better higher range and mastery of the horn's capabilities in timing) on baritone while the euphonium players tend to be individuals with a darker and richer sound, but who are not quite as good at the higher range, more technical aspects. Now, I was wondering if this arrangement makes sense, and what everyone things about the balance of players and abilities through a Euph/Bari line? Also, where do you think newer/weaker players should be placed in such a line?

Author:  Personal [ Mon Nov 03, 2003 11:59 pm ]
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Clusknay wrote:
Personal wrote:
the Baritones are a little brighter, and therefore are used more on the field, where as the Euph. is not used all that much.


Correct in saying that the Baritone does produce a slightly brighter sound than say...a trombone. But when speaking in corps sense...Euphoniums are ALWAYS used...they are in over 90 percent of all Division I corps...because of the balance and depth that it adds to an ensemble. Look at two top 5 (now i guess) Phantom, and SCV. Phantom marches a line of COMPLETE Euphs...SCV marches a line of 10-12 Euphs, and 6-8 baritones. It definately makes a difference.
However, you won't see euphoniums in marching band too much, i think due to the raw size of them. They are quite heavy....and with that factor alone you are already limited to those who will not only be able to handle them, but to also be able to put out some sound.


I know that. I stated that earlier in what I said. I was just stating that in the sense of High Schol bands. trust me, I am practicing on both. I have to, I am trying out for the SCV Baritone/Euph. line.

Author:  MoophoniumMan [ Wed Nov 05, 2003 6:19 am ]
Post subject:  euphonium...

Why do you think my member name has euphonium in it?

I prefer Euphonium over baritone greatly. You get a fuller, richer, darker, more velvety chocolate pudding sound with a euphonium than with a baritone. And it also looks nicer. Unfortunately it is heavier, and even more unfortunate is that my school is marching euphoniums this year. But its worth the weight.

Author:  Starky [ Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:15 am ]
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Gotta have the big bore.......

Author:  clusknay [ Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: euphonium...

vmhs_euphonium wrote:
...and even more unfortunate is that my school is marching euphoniums this year.


Why is this unfortunate??? If your're a euph lover...then I don't understand how you could contradict what you had originally posted.

Is it due to the weight of the instrument? That's the only thing that I can think of...in which case...you do have to just overcome. Get wiggy with it...hehehehe

Try watching old videos of your band, or just catch a glimpse of the TV or something...while holding your horn up. Yes, sounds stupid, but it's funny how the mind works. While watching TV, you are less likely to think "oh god this is heavy!!!" and more so on watching...say...you're favorite sports team. Not to mension that it will raise your endurance level tremendously...

-dawg

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