How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

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How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by SocalD » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:43 pm

Will judges give bands in the top 3 or 2 any special priority?

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by Chris Case » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:54 pm

Qualifiers are grouped in fours 1-4, 5-8, 9-12. A random draw of those four in each group are done for all divisions 1A-6A. For instance the draw could be 9, 11, 10 , 12. Those would be the first four bands on in that qualifying order. Repeat the process for 5-8 and 1-4 respectively and you have the order of performance for the show.

I hope that answers your question.

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by SocalD » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:08 pm

So the first band and the fourth band on the grid have an equal shot at playing last at champs?

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by Hostrauser » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:15 pm

Yes.

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by BD94Euph » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:22 pm

In 2007 Damien High School entered Championships ranked 7th, but performed 2nd of 10. We finished with a Silver medal. Having a good performance always trumps seeding.

Good luck to everybody marching in December!!!

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by SocalD » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:31 pm

So it's just a coincidence that last year in 1A the top 4 bands preformed in order of placement on the grid?

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by Hostrauser » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:17 pm

SocalD wrote:So it's just a coincidence that last year in 1A the top 4 bands preformed in order of placement on the grid?
Yes. In fact, it's not even that big of a coincidence. There's ~25% chance it will happen every year.

4 bands = 24 possible permutations of performance order. One of those permutations is 4-3-2-1. So that's a 1 in 24 chance. But there are six classes. So there are six opportunities every year for that order to come up.

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by gangemi » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:14 pm

Actually, we don't do a separate draw for each division. We do one and apply it to all 6 divisions so every number 4 will be last, etc. We obviously need to adjust for the "less than 12" divisions...

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by Hostrauser » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:44 pm

Well, that makes it a little less likely but still about a 4% chance. Not one in a million or anything.

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by gangemi » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:30 pm

CORRECTION:

The draw was top 6 and bottom 6 this year.

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by SocalD » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:20 pm

gangemi wrote:CORRECTION:

The draw was top 6 and bottom 6 this year.
Are the lineups posted somewhere yet?

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by gangemi » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:13 pm

Not yet. Hopefully by Thursday.

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by Sergiobtune69 » Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:03 pm

Baldwin Park High School in division 4a reached a score of 83.9 this past week, defeating all band scores competing that week except South Hills and Carlsbad. I am really concerned because we perform 3rd at Champs. Does that give the judges some sort of bias.? Yet our score being the 4th/5th highest in the 4a grid?

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by Hostrauser » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:36 pm

You worry too much.

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Re: How important is seeding at SCSBOA Champs?

Post by magicsax22 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:25 am

Good judges, like good teachers, will have a "rubric" in mind for what constitutes different levels of achievement in any given aspect of the sheets. Just like when a teacher grades an essay, they should give the student the points based on what they did, not what other students did or did not do.

In theory the scores and placements should come out the same way no matter what order of performance...even if we just mixed up all the divisions. Now I think we all realize that this is an ideal that isn't always reached, but I still think that generally the placements turn out like they should in most cases.

There are plenty of examples at shows where the first band to go on beat a large division, or someone early in the day got sweepstakes etc. Performance order shouldn't affect anything with good judges.

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